Quoted $4,800 for a carved stone piece, client said "that's it?" and I went home and re-did the mathTook a commission for a carved limestone piece last winter. Eight weeks of work on and off. Quoted $4,800 and the client said "that's it?" which I should have read as a warning about myself, not a compliment. I broke it down after delivery. Stone cost $620. Studio overhead, sanding discs, carbide, the rented truck to haul the block, my time at what I actually worked, it came out to about $11 an hour. I've been doing this thirty years. I still price like I'm afraid someone's going to find out I'm not worth it. The client was happy to pay more. I was the one who couldn't ask. Raised my rate last month for the first time in four years. $65 an hour. Feels like robbery. That's the whole problem.
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The guy at the art fair who told me he could save money by doing his own stone carving with a DremelHad a young guy at the booth this weekend, looked at my price tag, nodded like he'd figured something out. Said he could probably do the same thing himself with a Dremel and some YouTube tutorials. I said maybe he could. But I'd been thinking about it all evening and it still bothers me. Not the disrespect, I don't care about that. What bothers me is the assumption that the tool is what matters. Like the only difference between me and him is I own bigger equipment. I've got a 50lb tungsten chisel that I dressed myself because nothing on the market was right for the cut I needed. I spent three months learning to sharpen it right. A Dremel wont teach you how to read grain or when to walk away or what to do when you're 40 hours in and the stone decides to split wrong. Anyway. He walked off with a print. Probably gonna try to carve it this weekend. I hope he does. That's how you learn the difference between wanting to make something and wanting to have made something.
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My daughter runs the account, I just answer the commentsMy daughter set up this account for me last spring. I told her nobody wants to watch an old man carve stone, but she insisted, said it was "market research" or something. Fine. Here's what I actually notice. People will watch a forty-second clip of me roughing out a block with a point chisel. Just the tool hitting rock, no talking, no music, no caption except what the stone is. And the ones who comment have real questions. What kind of stone. What's the hardness. How do you stop a crack from running. That part I don't mind. That's actual conversation. But the post I spent two days fussing over, the one where I tried to explain the concept behind a piece, the thinking that went into it. Crickets. Two likes, one of them my daughter. I should have known better. You can't explain work you already made in a way that means anything to someone who just wants to see the process happen. I was raised to think if the work is good you don't have to talk about it. That's not how the internet works, and I'm too old to pretend otherwise. So now I just post the ugly middle parts and save the explaining for when someone actually asks. The frustrating part is my daughter was right and I hate that.
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Did the math on a carved granite garden stone last week. $40/hour. Before materials and my own wear.Lady wanted a granite garden stone for her husband's memorial. Personal piece, carved text, took me eleven days off and on. I charged $2,600. Did the math on the drive home. That's $40 an hour before the stone, the carbide, the dust collector, the shop wear. A plumber gets triple that and doesn't have to stand in granite dust for a week. The thing is, she was happy. She said so twice. And I still felt like I should apologize for the number. Thirty years in and I can't get past that part. I know the drill. Raise your rates. It's a skill, not a hobby. I heard all of it. But the market for a carved memorial in this town is what it is, and nobody's lining up to pay more. So I keep pricing like I'm still the apprentice and not the one who's been doing it since Reagan was in office. Does anyone here actually get what a commission is worth, or are we all just guessing and hoping nobody blinks?
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Ten years carving the same Atlantic wave and I finally don't hate the pullThere's this big wave breaking over rocks that I've been at, on and off, for the best part of ten years. Not the same block, obviously, I'm not that married to a piece of lino. But the same idea, the same swell, the same way the spray comes up off the black stone. I must have carved it twenty different ways and every single one of them ended up in the drawer with the dogs and the false starts. Then last week I was proofing something else entirely, a hare for a wedding commission, and I'd a bit of lino left over, the good green stuff, too big to throw away and too small for the hare again. So I just started in on it. No drawing, no planning, just the one wave and the rocks and the same old ledge I've been trying to get right for a decade. And it just... came. The pull of it, the weight of the water, all in. Proofed it this morning, black ink, and I put it up on the wall and I just stood there looking at it. Not crying or anything dramatic, but close enough. Ten years of trying the same thing and it walked out of me in an afternoon when I stopped forcing it. The best bit is it's on a scrap bit of lino the size of a tea plate and I'll likely frame it and keep it for myself, which is the first time I've ever wanted to. Anyway. Off to the post office with the hare. Sure look, that's the way of it.
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Quoted 9,000 on a basalt piece. It took 11 weeks. I made about 19 an hour.Client wanted a seated figure, roughly 5 feet, basalt. I quoted 9,000 and thought I was being smart about it. Ended up 11 weeks in the shop, most of it chasing a crack that ran the wrong way through the block. Do the math on the hours and I cleared something like 19 an hour. A kid grinding welds in a fab shop down the road makes more than that. The 9,000 wasn't wrong when I said it. The 11 weeks was wrong. I bid the carving and forgot the stone gets a vote. Now I add a third on top of any figure work in basalt and I say the number out loud before I say anything else, because once I've explained the piece I start negotiating against myself. What I still can't figure is whether the fix is charging more or quoting the honest number and losing the job. I've done both this year. One of them leaves me with an empty shop and a paid mortgage, and I'm not going to pretend I know which one I prefer.
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My contact sheet got more work than my finished piecesSomeone on here mentioned process shots not moving the needle. Opposite for me. A couple weeks back I posted a rough shot of the workbench, half-carved piece still in the stone, dust everywhere, chisels out. Not staged. Just where I left it at the end of the day. That one brought more commission inquiries than any finished piece I've put up this year. Makes sense if I think about it. People don't buy a sculpture, they buy watching it get made. The finished thing is already decided. The messy middle leaves room for them to picture themselves in it. Funny part is I almost didn't post it. Looked like a mess to me. My daughter posted it for me while I was still grinding. She's the one who runs the account, I'm just the labor. Still feels backwards that the work no one was supposed to see does the best. But I'll take it over chasing trends.
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Quoted 6,000 for a limestone portrait bust. The block alone was 1,400.Got talked into a portrait bust in Indiana limestone last fall. Widow wanted her husband, done from photographs. Quoted 6,000. Sounded like money. Here is what it actually was. Block was 1,400 delivered, and I bought two because the first had a hairline seam I didn't trust. 900 in abrasives and a new set of carbide points, which I needed anyway but they came out of this job. Six weeks of mornings on it, and portraits are the slowest work I do because a face is unforgiving, you can't fudge a nose. Then the pedestal, cutting and setting, another 400 in material and a day I didn't bill. Add it up and it's under 30 an hour. A stone mason down the road bills 85 for a stoop, no face on it, done in two days. The bust came out right, which is the only reason I'm not angry about it. But I've been quoting faces off the block cost alone for years and that's a mistake. Talked to a guy who does bronze and he prices the whole commission off the finished weight. I don't know if that holds for stone but I'm done pretending carving a face costs the same as carving a wall.
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The granite block has one crack in it and I've known about it for a weekThere's a piece of granite sitting in the shop, roughly a metre tall, and it has a hairline crack running down about a third of it. I saw it the day it came off the truck. I've walked past it every morning since, and every morning I find a reason to work on something else. That's a week now. I could cut it back and lose maybe twenty centimetres and the piece gets small. I could work the crack into the piece and pretend that was the plan all along. I could send it back and eat the cost and wait another six weeks for the quarry to send something that's probably cracked too. You know what the crack is. It's not going to close. It's not going to heal. Every hammer blow that lands near it is a decision I'm making on purpose. Thirty years of this and I still stall on the first cut when the material's already decided something I didn't plan for. Students think the hard part is the carving. It isn't. The hard part is the stone telling you what it is before you've touched it, and you having to listen.
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Cut a limestone base down 3/8 inch today and it took four hoursFour hours to take 3/8 of an inch off a limestone base. That's not slow, that's about right, but try explaining it to anyone who doesn't do this. Point is you can't just whale on it. You score, you chase, you check it against a straightedge every few passes, and if you get impatient the stone spalls at the corner and now you're carving a new edge instead of leveling the one you had. I've seen guys ruin a week of work in ten minutes that way. I did it myself at 24. Still have the piece somewhere as a reminder. The client wanted it flush and I told them flush costs more than they think. They said fine. It'll be flush. Nobody's going to look at this base. That's the whole point of a good base.
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Thirty-one years of sharpening chisels wrongBeen sharpening my carving chisels the same way since my apprenticeship. Flat on the stone, edge up, standard grip. Did it a thousand times without thinking. Visited my old mentor two weeks ago. He watched me sharpen one for a minute and said nothing for a long time. Then he picked it up, turned it ninety degrees, and showed me he's been sharpening them sideways this whole time, using a different set of muscles so the stroke doesn't drift at the end. Said he's been meaning to mention it for about twenty-five years. Thing is, I can feel it. The edge comes off the stone cleaner. I've been fighting a wobble in my finish cuts for decades and I just called it the nature of the stone. Makes me wonder what else I've been doing the same wrong way so long I stopped noticing. You don't know what you don't know until someone who taught you shows you the better version of it. And you have to swallow the pride and take it.
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I keep making the same mistake with stone and I can't tell if it's stubbornness or something realEvery piece of limestone I carve ends up the same way. I pick the block, map out the form, rough it in right, and then about halfway through I start chasing the vein. There's always this one line of darker stone running through it and I keep trying to work with it, shape around it, make it mean something. It never works. The piece ends up looking like I fought the material instead of the material and me agreeing on something. I did it again this week on a 200 pound piece of Indiana limestone and I knew better the whole time. I told my old mentor about it once. He just looked at me and said the vein isn't the problem, you are. I've been chewing on that for fifteen years and I still don't know if he meant I should stop trying to feature it or stop pretending I can ignore it. Maybe it's the same thing. Anyone else got a habit that keeps repeating even though you know exactly what you're doing when you do it?
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The welded base I finished last week that's already developing a hairline crackWelded a steel base for a standing piece last Thursday. Quarter-inch plate, good beads, let it cool slow. This morning I'm wiping it down and there's a hairline running about two inches from one of the welds. Not structural yet. But it's there. I keep going back and forth on whether to cut it out and re-weld or let it ride and see if it stabilizes. The piece it's holding is carved limestone, maybe 150 pounds. If the base gives, that stone hits concrete. Part of me thinks I should have used a thicker plate. Part of me knows I've seen old street railings hold together with worse cracks for fifty years. What's your rule on when you chase a flaw and when you leave it?
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The granite bench I sold for $1,200 that took me two monthsI carved a granite bench a few years back for a public garden. Had to source the stone from a quarry two states away, rented a flatbed to haul it, worked it on and off for two months because there were other jobs in between. Sold it for $1,200. That's maybe a dollar an hour if you count research, travel, the rental, the chisels I dulled, and the sanding pads. I knew it at the time and I still said yes. I told myself it was a "public installation" and that was worth something. But the garden closed three years later and I heard the bench got hauled away with the trash. I don't know what the right number was. Double maybe. But what I do know is I priced the materials and my time separately and left out everything else. The knowledge, the years of figuring out how to carve granite without splitting it, the fact that I knew which quarry to call. That all went for free. I still do it. Not as bad, but I still leave money on the table somewhere. Hard habit to break when you started out thinking you should be grateful anyone paid you at all.
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the way I sharpen a tool tells you everything about how I was taughtThere's a fella in the market who sharpens things for a living. Kitchen knives, secateurs, shears, he's there every Saturday with his stones and his strops and a little whetstone wheel rigged up to a bicycle chain somehow, and sure it's an education to watch him. I brought him my best carving gouge last week because I'd nicked the edge on something stupid, a staple I'd missed in a bit of lino, was raging with myself, and he handed it back and just said "whoever taught you to sharpen taught you right." And I thought about that more than I expected to. I learned from an old printer up in Sligo, man who could carve a heron's wing feather in a single cut and make it look like breathing. He taught me to sharpen dry, no oil, on a fine arkansas stone, and to feel the burr with your thumb rather than look for it. He'd say "you're not grinding metal, you're coaxing an edge out of it" and I used to think that was gas altogether till I realised he meant it. Anyway it got me thinking about how much of how we make things is just passed hand to hand like that. Little rituals. The way you hold your knife. The angle you trust without measuring. Someone showed you once and you've been doing it their way ever since, maybe without even knowing. I still sharpen dry. I check with my thumb. And I think of him every time.
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the kid at the art fair who asked if I "made" the stone or just "found it"Kid couldn't have been older than twenty. Points at a piece I'm loading out, thirty pound chunk of basalt I spent three weeks on. Asks if I found it like that. I said no, I carved it. He says yeah but did you make the rock or did you find the rock. I told him I found the rock. Four hundred million years old, I didn't make it. But I sure as hell made what's inside it. He nodded like I was humoring him and walked off. Not his fault. Nobody teaches looking anymore. They think if it didn't come out of a machine it must have washed up on a beach fully formed.
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Forty hours into a limestone torso and I've carved past the shoulder lineBlock of Indiana limestone, about 300 pounds when I started. Client wanted a torso, waist up, no arms. Simple. I roughed it in with the saw and a point chisel and it sat in the shop three weeks while I did a rail job. Went back at it Monday and the shoulder line is wrong. Not crooked, wrong. I took the ridge too far back on the left side and now the whole thing reads like it's turning away from you when it should be squared up. I know exactly where I went wrong too. I was matching the drawing instead of the stone and the stone didn't have that much there. Two options. Take 3/4 of an inch off the right shoulder to match and lose the mass I wanted, or build up the left with a dutchman and hope the seam doesn't show when it's dry. I've done both before. The patch has held on pieces twenty years old, but you can always find it if you look, and this one's going to get raked light across it in the client's entry. What I keep coming back to is that the "wrong" version might be the better piece. Turning away is more interesting than squared up. But I didn't carve it on purpose and I don't know if I can trust that. Anyway. Cutting tomorrow either way. Stone's already paid for.
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I underbid a memorial piece by $6,000 and I'd do it again, which is the problemWidow came to the shop in March. Wanted a headstone for her husband, granite, 4 foot upright, rough face with a polished panel. She had the plot number and a drawing her grandson did of the lettering. I quoted 4,800. Material was 1,400, sandblast and polish another 900, setting with the monument company 600. That leaves 1,900 for what was eleven weeks of carving and four trips to the cemetery to check the base. I knew the number was wrong when I said it. I said it anyway. What I keep turning over is why. She asked twice if that included the setting. I said yes both times. I've been doing this thirty years and I still price grief like it's a favor I'm doing, and then I resent the stone for three months. The gallon of coffee I drink at the bench costs more than my hourly on that job. I did the math after, out of spite, and it came to 14 an hour. Raised my minimum on new commissions to 9,000 in June. First two callers hung up. Number three signed, and I'm carving it now, and the difference in how I feel holding the chisel is not small. I don't have a clean lesson here. Just that I set that price in the first five minutes of the meeting, before I'd even heard the lettering, and I've never once gotten a number right that fast.
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Know when the stone tells you to stopSpent the morning on a piece of Indiana limestone I've been working for two weeks. Block was clean, good color, no veins. I kept pushing on it. Refining a curve that didn't need refining. At noon I stepped back and saw what I'd done to it. Took that curve too far. Now I'm chasing it back. Thirty years in and I still do this. The stone tells you when you're done and I keep going anyway because stopping feels like I'm being lazy. Had a mentor who'd slap his hands on his thighs and walk away mid-afternoon. I thought he was slacking. He wasn't. He just knew. Now I spend half my time carving and the other half wishing I'd walked away an hour earlier. If you're at the point where you're just fiddling, put the tool down. The work is already done. Fiddling is how you ruin it.
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The granite I'm carving right now fights me every inchBeen on the same block of granite for three weeks now. Blue Pearl, dense as it comes, and every pass with the bushing tool is a negotiation. You can't rush granite. You think you've got the form in your head and the stone just says no, not like that. I've stopped fighting it and started listening, which sounds soft but it's just practical. The piece I meant to make and the piece that's actually in there are two different things. That's how it always goes when you do it right. This one's teaching me to wait. My hands know the shape before my eyes do, that's the only honest way I can say it. Some afternoons I get maybe six inches of good work. Six inches. And I'm fine with that now. Took thirty years to get here.
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